The most common and accepted interpretation is that he was trying to make sure it was the real Asuka and that they where no longer in Instrumentality, so when she shows a sign that she's real (by caressing him) he stops. Forgot to leave in video: Inspired by ThatGuyWithTheGlasses 5 Second videos. That's just their foreplay. A) The sequance is one of the most hotly debated in Eva circles all over the world. That's a rather Cinemasins way (read: shitty) of looking at it, but it does work through theme - strangling Asuka was the last 'physical' contact Shinji and her had in the weird quasi-LCL mind meld pre-Instrumentality space, and Shinji hadn't seen Asuka moving in weeks. Shinji embraces the otaku empowerment fantasy and dives headfirst into his mother's basement. Maybe, in that moment, Shinji realises he's made a huge mistake. The meme that Shinji doesn't get into the robot is fairly misleading since Shinji does in fact pilot Evangelion Unit-01 regularly throughout the anime. So he strangled her in order to get close to her? Just a thought. Also with how much you called Shinji trash, I wonder if he has a thing for being degraded next to comatose girls. "How disgusting" could mean so many thing because it's something that can be directed at anything. She doesn't struggle, she just looks at Shinji and views him as completely worthless, because she knows him completely through Instrumentality and finds him, well, disgusting. Shinji visits a comatose Asuka in the hospital; when his pleas for attention go unanswered, he exposes Asuka's breasts and masturbates. It could be anybody, it's just the last physical contact he made with Asuka was brutally strangling her and he tries, desperately, to recreate that feeling of oneness through human touch. Thus, he decides to end all human life and start Third Impact. Like the LCL soup. Shinji initially shows a passive and laid-back personality, inheriting such traits from his relaxed life with his sensei. Asuka Langley Soryu: 惣流・アスカ・ラングレー: Rank / Title Second Children Affiliation(s) Nerv: National Heritage Japanese, American, German: Relations Kyoko Zeppelin Soryu (mother), Langley (father), Stepmother (Kyoko's doctor and Asuka's stepmother) : Age Though Shinji denies it, he yearns for praise, and he eventually begins to pilot Unit-01 to gain the Maybe, after all he's just experienced and learnt, his first act as a fully realised human cognisant of all life and the facts of his reality is do what he truly wants without fear, and that's to kill her. Make fun of me like you always do! Wow. After he recalled that, he applied the same to the situation of Shinji choking Asuka with this response: "Well maybe Shinji resents Asuka to some degree, and thus strangles her at first. But you can tease out lots of meanings and different ideas about scene through thinking through character motivation and stuff. Come on!” At the end, he pulls on Asuka and accidentally opens her hospital gown, revealing her naked body. I hate open endings like this, it's too vague to make any firm conclusion. Then though, after Asuka caresses his cheek, Shinji realizes he can't truly live without her. I don´t think "optimistic" is the right word, more like a show of evolution in his passive-depressive state... -----------------------------------------------------. When she reached 0%, she became suicidal: it’s heavily implied she went to that abandoned, ruined house to kill herself. Indeed. In Episode 22, above, Shinji is physically distant from Asuka, they are divided by a physical object, and Shinji is visibly tense as he is unable to comfort a visibly crying and furious Asuka. Bad Points: Asuka and Shinji are both majorly f#*ked up. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://wiki.evageeks.org/Statements_by_Evangelion_Staff#Interview_with_Yuko_Miyamura_.28BS_AnimeYAWA.29. RELATED: 10 Scariest Monsters In Anime. So there is hope that together, they could help each other become better people. Not where you can find what you're actually looking for (whatever that is), but where you can find some of the debates you mentioned just above. Things are much heavier now, even (perhaps especially) given the fact that she's feeling more charitable toward him now than in the past. Help me. Asuka and Shinji make up for each others' personal shortcomings. killing Asuka right there and then would make it easier on him. She's also aware of everything that happened after she died. God's in his heaven. He inserts his right hand--which has Adam grafted on--into Rei's body to initiate Instrumentality.Meanwhile, Now for the disgusting part, I'd tie this to the reason 1 I just made, as it would make the most sense, giving the interview with Anno and the VA. That sounds vaguely familiar, yes. -Misato. As for Shinji: it was a culmination of his relationship with her and his general depression. Has anyone ever thought these actions to be a consequence of the hedgehogs dilemma? … He, in a way, derives pleasure from hurting and rejecting Asuka. >retards STILL ship Shinji and Asuka post End of Evangelion - "/a/ - Anime & Manga" is 4chan's imageboard dedicated to the discussion of Japanese animation and manga. The DSS Chocker around Shinji's neck. An "optimistic" view of the strangling scene, Re: An "optomistic" view of the strangling scene. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Maybe he strangles Asuka in a frantic attempt at a mercy killing. I really need to write a one-shot post-EoE drama piece instead of my usual WAFF or romance+drama fics at some point... Why was Shinji strangling Asuka at the end of EoE? That's just how Asuka feels about those sorts of displays (it's not like we don't have ample evidence attesting to that fact). Asuka represents the passional side of the human love, Shinji gets aroused around her, to the point of masturbate beside her lying in a deep coma. ? Again, none of this is canon, because Anno hasn't confirmed anything. Purpose of Scene 1#: It helps explain the negative aspects Asuka and Shinji’s relationship in order to put Shinji’s character flaws on display. Asuka caresses his face, and he breaks down. All's right with the world. Maybe Shinji really fucking hates Asuka. To me the last scene is both hatred and love, the world Shinji wanted back. Shinji starts to strangle Asuka, that is a very important gesture, like VERY VERY important, it's an active agressive attitude of him, completely opposed to the passive, runaway, fragile and submissive Shinji that is afraid of the others hurting him but unable to avoid it and defend himself; it's a Shinji screaming after being years unable to: "STOP HURTING ME, I'M TIRED OF IT, TREAT ME WELL", , showing he … This adds up to his own self hate. The music was taken from the russian movie "Ty u menya odna".I DONT OWN ANY MATERIALS USED ON THIS VIDEO. The fleet was attacked by an Angel while on the high seas. -Chrad, Acts of man are better than acts of god. So instead he hurts her because it reaffirms his view of himself and because it is intimate in its own way. 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As for what Asuka says the original Japanese version has her say "I feel sick" instead of "how disgusting" and according to Anno what she was feeling at the time was something akin to morning sickness, make of that what you will. He shouldn't have allowed Instrumentality to happen in the first place, and definitely shouldn't have stopped it halfway through. For serious and at times in-depth discussions only, covering the original TV series, the movies End of Evangelion and Death & Rebirth. Upon even the slightest hint of any resistance from Asuka, he breaks down in tears. The act that, thematically, kicks off Instrumentality is him brutally strangling her after all. You could really interpret it in lot of ways, which I'm about to do so as insomnia is a motherfucker and I love talking about this shit. Hence the dilemma? During the battle, Shinji sits in front of Unit-01, crying about not having any choice and chooses not to do anything, knowing full well Asuka needs his help. The 1997 film The End of Evangelion continues Shinji's story, portraying his downward spiral into depression and loss of the will to live. Then, after Instrumentality, he finds her and immediately picks up where he left off. he sees Asuka on the beach, and tries desperately to connect. Someone here the other day theorised that Asuka was actually trying to fight Shinji off, but having died and returned back to life with a new arm, she's incredibly weakened. He Wanted to be alone, or at least that's that was hinted, He didn't feel worthy enough to be with everyone, and he honestly thought that he was a nuisance to everyone even within Instrumentality, the moment he saw Asuka outside with him, it made him want to kill her, he truly didn't feel worthy of anyone, much less Asuka, This is because shinji did nothing as they killed her, when he was about to board unit 01, i mention this because Shinji would have atleast tried to smack the bakelite or something, but not doing anything means that he was ashamed of himself and would prefer to let Asuka die than to help her. Shinji visits a comatose Asuka in the hospital. It's strange music fantasy. That's why, at the end, you see Shinji and Asuka on the shore, because through all their ordeals they're the ones who realized the quickest that life is worth living despite all the pain and so are the ones brought back first. You could also be much more sympathetic to Shinji, as a victim of unimaginable trauma and pain who just wants to die and no-one will let him, but this post is too fucking long already. My take is that is not a violent gesture, but rather one of complete and abject pity. Is his violent method flawed? Now we know with some confidence that Shinij is at the hospital because he is looking for the same kind of comfort and direction he received from Kaworu and Misato and because he has nowhere left to go to. shinji isn't looking for romantic attachment (so he "ends up" with no one), he is looking for affection and attention from someone who understands, respects, and cares for him. His strangling of Asuka symbolizes that. Look at what you've done, what you've become, you fool. You make a lot of good points, especially the one about Anno teaching the fans a lesson, and Asuka contrasting the strangling with a caress (I don't think the caress was meant to be violent) Well its good to speculate I guess. I understand Instrumentality, the symbolism, Lilith etc. They are the only two to survive 3rd Impact and are thus, Adam and Eve. Shinji doesnt call himself a scoundrel and a coward for nothing. The morning sickness thing I think is an internet rumor. He lets Asuka die at the hands and mouths of the Mass Production EVA's, and is then horrified when he sees Unit-02's corpse being tossed around, pretending it wasn't his fault. Audio from the movie, Shinji kills Asuka, … The carass part is the weird one, maybe she was just weak and couldn't punch him like she'd want to, maybe she did it to calm him down, maybe she understood shinji and gave him some pity. He supposedly strangled her inside Instrumentality and didn't stop, once he saw her, maybe it kicked a flashback in and resumed the strangling, OR he maybe just fucking hates Asuka for being so fucking vague with him and putting him under all that pressure for little to no reason, this in turn makes him hate himself and hate Auska, Asuka there makes him fucking dread living and this could loop right back to reason 1. I get all of that, but I still don’t understand why Shinji was strangling Asuka and why she said “how disgusting” Edit: Maaaan I really want to re-watch the movie now, all your comments are answering so many of my questions Edit2: I just fken realised I wrote “strange” instead of “strangle” -_-. Some audience surrogate, eh? Shinji: “Please help me. In the Girlfriend of Steel 2 manga, however, Shinji acts like his anime self, to the point where he doesn't have the perverted side of his personality that the Girlfriend of Steel 2 video game Shinji has. Shinji has effectively ended the world. Why would he do that, though? Asuka Langley Soryu (惣流・アスカ・ラングレー, SōryÅ« Asuka Rangurē, IPA: [soːɾʲɯː asɯ̥ka ɾaŋɡɯɾeː]) is a fictional character from the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion, created by Gainax.Within the series, she is designated as the Second Child and the pilot of a giant mecha named Evangelion Unit 02, to fight against enemies known as Angels for the special agency Nerv. I have a similar viewpoint to that interpretation (although I don't think it's anything I wrote) and I'd say it is somewhat common around here. This is something that Always bothered me. Because Shinji learned in Instrumentality that Asuka is into that kind of stuff. And (this was brought up YEARS ago) but visually, Asuka's expression in the kitchen scene when glaring at Shinji (when his head is bowed and before she says "No".) Because he likes her but is unable to act on it due to fear. Not waiting for direct orders, Asuka kidnapped Shinji and stole her EVA unit to fight the Angel. Q) Why does Shinji strangle Asuka in the final scene of The End of Evangelion, 'I need you.' There's not really a canon answer. Anno gave his fans a happy ending, thematically speaking, with the budget he had back in 1996, and people sent him death threats that feature explicitly in the text of the film. Realizing that Evangelion Unit-01 has began to move in the GeoFront, Gendo tells Rei that the only way for him to see Yui again is through the forbidden union of Adam and Lilith. Maybe it's the AT Field. She replied with 'how disgusting', and Anno didn't seem to like or understand the response but used it anyway. When he is told to pilot Unit-01, he does so without questioning it, choosing simply to go along with what everyone else says. He depends on her now, being the last two alive after all." He strangles Asuka because he's awful. In the end, she was able to defeat the Angel. Shinji, audience surrogate, really only does two or three things in EoE - he sexually assaults Asuka in the opening scene, then he does nothing (not even the prospect of a bullet in the head motivates him to do literally anything, then he is dragged, driven, and carried throughout the movie) until he throws a hissy fit and strangles Asuka, then he passively stops the world ending, sits up, then strangles Asuka again. At … Although Shinji does choke Asuka in the movie, he stops short of completing the deed. This is a Long reply, I feel like I should reply to it. So that's Asuka's motivation in the scene then - she has become aware, consciously in her physical body and mind rather than in primordial LCL mode, of everything. After Instrumentality, they are as close as can be possible and with that Shinji causes as much pain as possible. He hates her, but he's still the same coward as before. Confirming she's alive seems fine, but like on a purely practical level you don't confirm things are alive by trying to kill them. Asuka acting cruel towards Shinji represented how Shinji views humanity and life as being cruel to him. At one point, Anno directed Shinji's VA to actually strangle her in the booth. Published on Aug 7, 2011. after rewatching the show, the movie, and basically everything, i came to two conclusion as to why shinji tried to kill Asuka. Although I can understand why he would do it, heck Asuka is meaner to Shinji than anyone else in the series. The poster for End of Evangelion directly parallels this scene, except that this time Asuka and Shinji are close to one another, the barrier between is gone, and they seem much more relaxed and at ease … Until now there was no definitive answer to the mystery. Anno eventually sensed that the issue was with the original line ('I feel sick'), so asked her what she, the actor herself, would say if she found out someone had broken into her apartment and masturbated over her sleeping body. For example, Shinji is more compassionate than Asuka, but Asuka is more decisive than Shinji. EoE then becomes a project with two benefits - animate all of the dope shit you couldn't do in 1996, and give the worst parts of his fanbase a good lesson in being careful what they wish for. The new world is disgusting, Shinji "nutty comatose hands" is also disgusting, the LCL is disgusting, maybe she hated being inside the LCL as she values herself more than anyone else, so being in a pool where no one any anyone and anyone is someone made her feel disgust. Asuka thinks so. But weren’t they close enough already in “liquid form” ? The card translation says that Shinji started to strangle Asuka because he wanted to confirm that rejection and denial exist once more. My take is that Everything is disgusting from her point of view, and completely understandable. She felt that piloting the Eva was particularly important, and once Shinji surpassed her sync rates, she started dwindling. If not, please merge, mods. Is he really so fucked up? What a fucking waste, how disgusting. When Asuka was moving to Japan, she was transported along with her Unit 02 EVA by a carrier fleet. The first is the opening scene of the movie. Asuka's 'how disgusting' then becomes an expression of contempt, even more devastating than a screeched 'anta baka'. He looks up, sees that the world is a completely hellblasted, uninhabitable mess, and then sees Asuka on the beach. and her glare while they're on the beach (that one infamous shot where people used to have a hard time telling if her eye color was still blue or brown due to the night-time lighting) looks very similar if not identical. It's also a brutal, hardcore-darwinist way of confirming something wants to be alive - threaten to kill it, and see if it can survive. I'll add: Originally Asuka's line was different, and Anno asked Asuka's VA to get a line he liked: https://wiki.evageeks.org/Statements_by_Evangelion_Staff#Interview_with_Yuko_Miyamura_.28BS_AnimeYAWA.29. Shinji, audience surrogate, really only does two or three things in EoE - he sexually assaults Asuka in the opening scene, then he does nothing (not even the prospect of a bullet in the head motivates him to do literally anything, then he is dragged, driven, and carried throughout the movie) until he throws a hissy fit and strangles Asuka, then he passively stops the world ending, sits up, then strangles Asuka … So I made my own justification and called it the day. She knows that Shinji masturbated over her comatose body. Shinji’s overwhelmed and begs the unconscious Asuka to help him. Since I couldn't find the original discussion with another thread I made earlier, I felt it was appropriate to make a thread with another purpose. You could also see it as Shinji just outright trying to kill Asuka. To kick off Third Impact in End of Evangelion, we are treated to a scene where Shinji begins to choke Asuka. The DSS Choker (Deification Shutdown System Choker) is a collar developed by WILLE.It was placed around the neck of Shinji Ikari after the recovery of Evangelion Unit-01.. After the recovery of Unit-01 by Asuka, and the extraction of Shinji from the Core, the collar was fitted around his neck as a result of his actions which led to the Near Third Impact. In the end, Shinji manages to get over his fear of rejection and chooses to reverse Instrumentality and go back to the world where people are separate and can choose to reject or abandon each other. The End of Evangelion. He's contemptible garbage. After the AT Fields return, Shinji suddenly realises that he's alone, not truly connected with anyone again. Nothings changed. Shinji also tends to have streaks of clumsiness which end up with him in many compromising positions with either Asuka, Rei, or even both. I could also point to numerous examples of this in the End of Evangelion, particularly with that psycho-analysis scene during the Third Impact (I'm not 100% sure if that was just Shinji's self-reflection or whether the events actually took place, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say that it was real, mainly due to when Misato shows Shinji her sex life and explains what it means to her) when Asuka … Press J to jump to the feed. Just about the only thing from the source on this is an interview with Asuka's voice actor, who talks about how difficult voicing that scene was. One example from earlier in the film: In the kitchen scene when Shinji starts flipping out, Asuka calls him pathetic. Does Asuka want to be here?

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